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FACT CHECK: Health overhaul myths taking root

WASHINGTON – The judgment is harsh in a new poll that finds Americans worried about the government taking over health insurance, cutting off treatment to the elderly and giving coverage to illegal immigrants. Harsh, but not based on facts.

President Barack Obama's lack of a detailed plan for overhauling health care is letting critics fill in the blanks in the public's mind. In reality, Washington is not working on "death panels" or nationalization of health care.

To be sure, presenting Congress and the country with the nuts and bolts of a revamped system of health insurance is no guarantee of success for a president — just ask Bill and Hillary Rodham Clinton. Their famous flop was demonized, too. After all, the devil does lurk in details.

It can also lurk in generalities, it seems.

Obama is promoting his changes in something of a vacuum, laying out principles, goals and broad avenues, some of which he's open to amending. As lawmakers sweat the nitty gritty, he's doing a lot of listening, and he's getting an earful.

A new NBC News poll suggests some of the myths and partial truths about the plans under consideration are taking hold.

Most respondents said the effort is likely to lead to a "government takeover of the health care system" and to public insurance for illegal immigrants. Half said it will probably result in taxpayers paying for abortions and nearly that many expected the government will end up with the power to decide when treatment should stop for old people.

A look at each of those points:

THE POLL: 45 percent said it's likely the government will decide when to stop care for the elderly; 50 percent said it's not likely.

THE FACTS: Nothing being debated in Washington would give the government such authority. Critics have twisted a provision in a House bill that would direct Medicare to pay for counseling sessions about end-of-life care, living wills, hospices and the like if a patient wants such consultations with a doctor. They have said, incorrectly, that the elderly would be required to have these sessions.

House Republican Leader John Boehner of Ohio said such counseling "may start us down a treacherous path toward government-encouraged euthanasia."

The bill would prohibit coverage of counseling that presents suicide or assisted suicide as an option.

Republican Sen. Johnny Isakson of Georgia, who has been a proponent of coverage for end-of-life counseling under Medicare, said such sessions are a voluntary benefit, strictly between doctor and patient, and it was "nuts" to think death panels are looming or euthanasia is part of the equation.

But as fellow conservatives stepped up criticism of the provision, he backed away from his defense of it.

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THE POLL: 55 percent expect the overhaul will give coverage to illegal immigrants; 34 percent don't.

THE FACTS: The proposals being negotiated do not provide coverage for illegal immigrants.

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THE POLL: 54 percent said the overhaul will lead to a government takeover of health care; 39 percent disagree.

THE FACTS: Obama is not proposing a single-payer system in which the government covers everyone, like in Canada or some European countries. He says that direction is not right for the U.S. The proposals being negotiated do not go there.

At issue is a proposed "exchange" or "marketplace" in which a new government plan would be one option for people who aren't covered at work or whose job coverage is too expensive. The exchange would offer some private plans as well as the public one, all of them required to offer certain basic benefits.

That's a long way from a government takeover. But when Obama tells people they can just continue with the plans they have now if they are happy with them, that can't be taken at face value, either. Tax provisions could end up making it cheaper for some employers to pay a fee to end their health coverage, nudging some patients into a public plan with different doctors and benefits. Over time, critics fear, the public plan could squeeze private insurers out of business because they would not be able to compete with the federal government.

It's unclear now whether Obama is committed to the public option. He described it recently as "just one sliver" of health reform, suggesting it was expendable if lawmakers could agree on another way to expand affordable coverage. Now the White House is emphasizing his strong support for it.

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THE POLL: 50 percent expect taxpayer dollars will be used to pay for abortions; 37 percent don't.

THE FACTS: The House version of legislation would allow coverage for abortion in the public plan. But the procedure would be paid for with dollars from beneficiary premiums, not from federal funds. Likewise, private plans in the new insurance exchange could opt to cover abortion, but no federal subsidies would be used to pay for the procedure.

Opponents say the prohibition on federal money for the procedure is merely a bookkeeping trick and what matters is that Washington would allow abortion to be covered under government-subsidized insurance.

Obama has stated that the U.S. should continue its tradition of "not financing abortions as part of government-funded health care." Current laws prohibiting public financing of abortion would stay on the books.

Yet abortion guidelines are not yet clear for the government-supervised insurance exchange. There is strong sentiment in Congress on both sides of the issue.

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The poll of 805 people was taken Aug. 15-17 and has a margin of sampling error of plus or minus 3.5 percentage points.

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Obama talks to Bill Clinton about N. Korea mission

Tuesday that information her husband brought back from North Korea has been "extremely helpful" by providing a window into what's happening in the reclusive country.

But it didn't change the Obama administration's position on North Korea, which is under pressure from the U.S. and its allies to end its nuclear weapons program.

"Our policy remains the same. Our policy is consistent," she said.

Clinton made the remarks at a State Department news conference with Colombian Foreign Minister Jaime Bermudez as President Barack Obama met with Bill Clinton about the former president's mission to North Korea that won the freedom of two imprisoned American journalists.

In a brief statement, White House spokesman Robert Gibbs said Obama thanked Clinton for undertaking the mission and the former president "described the process." Gibbs said the two spoke for 40 minutes in the West Wing's situation room before Obama invited the former president to continue their conversation for another 30 minutes in the Oval Office.

"President Obama said he was gratified that the Americans had been safely reunited with their families," Gibbs said.

The session was the second conversation between the two men on the North Korean mission, although the private meeting was the first in-person and in-depth debriefing between the current and former president. Bill Clinton also has met with National Security Council staff twice and his associates also have had extensive discussions with the NSC, State Department and other agencies about the trip.

He won the release on Aug. 4 of journalists Euna Lee and Laura Ling, who were working for Clinton's former vice president, Al Gore, at Current-TV. The former president also met and had dinner with North Korea's leader, Kim Jong Il.

Clinton's trip was arranged secretly in part by Joseph R. DeTrani, the governments senior officer responsible for collecting and analyzing intelligence on North Korea, The New York Times reported Tuesday on its Web site.

Clinton did not ask to see Kim, requesting instead that he meet with "an appropriate official," the newspaper said, quoting unidentified senior U.S. officials.

Kim, who was found to be unexpectedly spry by the Clinton delegation, expressed a desire for better relations at a lengthy dinner with Clinton that consisted of "chitchat" and did not include substantive discussions of North Korea's nuclear program, the officials told the Times. Kim proposed that they stay up afterward; he did not indicate that his nation would give up its nuclear program, and he gave no indication he was engaged in a succession struggle, the Times said.

Separately, New Mexico Gov. Bill Richardson's office said late Tuesday that two North Korean diplomats were in Santa Fe to meet with Richardson on Wednesday on a topic that wasn't disclosed. The delegation was from the North Korean mission to the United Nations, a spokesman said.

The North Koreans had requested the visit, but the governor's office said Richardson would not be negotiating or be representing the Obama administration.

Richardson was U.N. ambassador in the Clinton administration and has served as a roving diplomatic troubleshooter, including missions to North Korea, Sudan, Cuba and Iraq.

U.S. officials are eager to learn about Kim's health. He is believed to have had a stroke and is suffering from chronic health problems.

Asked whether her husband got any signal that the North was ready to return to six-party talks on its nuclear weapons program, the secretary said that the United States was trying to determine whether there were signals it could act upon to try to create a "positive atmosphere."

She added: "But it's really up to the North Koreans."

The secretary, whom Obama defeated in last year's Democratic presidential primary campaign, met earlier with Obama at the White House but aides said the previously scheduled visit by Bermudez prevented her from attending the meeting between her husband and the president.

State Department spokesman Ian Kelly said Clinton sent her chief of staff and counselor, Cheryl Mills, who was the secretary's point person on the matter.

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